2021-11-22 M-SDO AN Formal Liaison Meeting Notes #13

Date

22 Nov 2021

Apologies

Thomas Tovinger Zou Lan

Bridge Details

  Supplied directly to  SDO leads  as restricted to formal SDO representatives.

Input Material

• MSDO-7  Incoming Contributions - AN-SDO Collaboration - TM Forum Confluence

Meeting Agenda·I

• Introduction
• Permission to record.
• Agenda review and location of input contributions. Review progress on the Legal / IPR agreement proposal
  • Legal team meeting 13th September
  • Proposal sent out on 5th October
  • Feedback
  • Conclusions and next steps
• Overview /review of Work package progress
  • WP02 Joint WP addressing proposal in Roadmap and Landscape (Operational use caseWP02. Work Packages (WP)
    • Feedback on meeting 25^th October 2021
    • Contribution MSDO-7  Incoming Contributions - AN-SDO Collaboration - TM Forum Confluence
  • WP04 Common Operating Principles
• Administrative 
  • Review /agree meeting schedule proposal Multi-SDO AN Meeting Schedules
  • Reorganize joint working area
• AOB

Call for IPR Declaration – IPR Statements for Use in Meetings

Recording

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viideo Recording AUdi Reording and chat Log 

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Meeting notes

• Introduction
  • Open meeting 
  • Apologies received from Thomas Tovinger and Zoulan as re-schcedule meeting clashes with SA5 meeting
  • Roll call added above
• Permission to record.  Requested and granted
• Agenda review and location of input contributions. Review progress on the Leagla / IPR agreement proposal
  • Legal team meeting 13th September
  • Proposal sent out on 5th October
  • Feedback
    
    • In response to the liaison we sent 5th Oct on a proposed Participation Agreement which would be used for all joint documents. developed through MSDO.
    • 3GPP
      • Current situation is that 3GPP have responded indicating they are unable to sign up to the Participation Agreement  as they believe it is in conflict with their IPR rules
        see 2021-10-21 i/c 3GPP Liaison: Reply LS on Liaison Multi-SDO Autonomous Networks (AN) Formal Liaison: Minutes Legal representative IPR Meeting the 13th of September 2021 and IPR proposal Liaison AN-SDO2021-10(TMF)
      • However, they are keen to collaborate and urged the MSDO to find another way to facilitate collaboration and timely exchange of information. 
      • Thomas noted that Liaison responsibility is now delegated to the subgroup e.g. SA5 which gives some addition freedoms.
    • FG-AN see 2021-09-13 ITU FNAN liaison sp16-fg-an-oLS-00006 
      • Indicated that as they are a time limited activity they don't believe it will be possible to sign up to joint documents.
    • ONAP 
      • have indicated that they would prefer to try to work through current bilateral agreement between Linux Foundation and TM Forum.
    • ETSI
      • Ton reported that ETSI have had a general discussion and had a call with TM Forum Legal. ETSI doesn't believe there is an unsurmountable IPR agreement issue.
      • They would like to get the lapsed ETSI TM Forum Liaison agreement re-established as that would support both AN and NON AN related liaisons. 
  • Conclusions and next steps
    
    • Dave suggested that the original intention of a co-jointly authored documents and a public letter of intent is clearly infeasible across all the Interested SDOs.
    • The earlier suggestion  of common meeting with temporary document form multiple SDO and jointly reviewed had raised some issues in TM Forum  about antitrust as not clear under which SDO's charter  the discussions were being conducted. 
    • Nick Sampson , Magnus Buhrgard Ranganai Chaparadza, Muslim Elkotob, Raymond Forbes  all stated that the early exchange of information was of considerable value to all SDOs  and that there was a desire to keep those information exchanges going.
    • Dave suggested an alternative variant of the Temp Document approach  which was to use the meeting to conduct open meetings to  review contributions from each of the SDO's. The difference from the previous proposal is that for each document produced by a single SDO the review is conducted under the Charter IPR of the contributing SDO.  This means there is never any doubt which charter IPR a discussion is conducted under . Such an approach could  speed up liaison and dissemination  of  information sharing.
    • This approach avoids joint documents as documents being reviewed are under the IPR and license agreement of the SDO presenting the material  and the review process is conducted under that SSO's charter for open meeting.
    • There is no obligation on the presenting SOD to accept comments either formally or informally from other SDOs. 
    • None of the above precludes SDO establishing Bilateral arrangements for use of other SDO materials ( e.g. copying diagrams ).
    • So the meetings could be driven by a forward agenda of SDO proposals on the working page  Multi-SDO AN Meeting Schedules
    • AP Dave Milham will write up this proposal for future meeting structure  for consideration by SDO at the next meeting due 20th Dec 2021.
• Overview /review of Work package progress
  • WP02 Joint WP addressing proposal in Roadmap and Landscape (Operational use caseWP02. Work Packages (WP)
    • Feedback on meeting 25^th October 2021
    • Contribution MSDO-7  Incoming Contributions - AN-SDO Collaboration - TM Forum Confluence
      •  Dave gave a brief overview of the presentation on the 25th October    ANP319-WP02 initial thoughts-4- short.pdf
      • Key takeaway is that when one looks at the current 3GPP work as one example,  the AN levels are based on different implementation options for Closed loops
      • However, the complexity of operationally managing multiple technical  implementation through the AN levels  looks to be very high and not clear what the operational benefits would be 
  • WP04 Common Operating Principles
    • Ranganai gave an update . IEEE is waiting for feedback on their proposal MSDO-3_Towards Development of a Blueprint of Common Operational Principles for ANs V1.10.pdf 
    • they are interested in some additional areas 
      • Multilayer AN networks stability
      • Multilayer federation
      • Standardizable metrics for certification of AI Models for ANs
    •  Agreed to put this on the agenda of next open meeting
    • Agreed to move the planned open meeting from 29th Nov to 16th December.
• Administrative 
  • Review /agree meeting schedule proposal Multi-SDO AN Meeting Schedules
    • Agreed to move to single series of meeting with invites to both online list and formal SDO list.
    • Thinking is we move to a 6-week interval and a running agenda  held at  Multi-SDO AN Meeting Schedules - AN-SDO Collaboration - TM Forum Confluence 
    • AP Dave Milham  will propose a schedule of updated meeting on Multi-SDO AN Meeting Schedules 
  • Reorganize joint working area
    • Not covered. 
• AOB

Action List

Current Call

• AP Dave Milham will write up this proposal for future meeting structure  for consideration by SDO at the next meeting due 20th Dec 2021.
• AP Dave Milham  will propose a schedule of updated meeting on Multi-SDO AN Meeting Schedules
  

Previous call

• AP Dave Milham will send out letter of invitation to the Formal SDO representative for the legal representatives meeting

• AP ALL SDO to ensure that the Topic / SDO Matrix  is updated for AN Levels material by end August.

• AP ALL SDO to provide initial comment on the proposal by the 5th July   and indicate when they could formally agree to the Letter of Intent ( will depend on each SDO internal procedures.
• AP IEEE will make a proposal for the contents of such Common Operational Principles document 

Next Meeting details

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